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Post by Samathul on Jul 20, 2007 22:14:58 GMT 1
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Post by Samathul on Jul 21, 2007 0:01:18 GMT 1
www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=japyhbdji1xd5&s=3371-3848&mJust dug up a Karapojat Prince kill for comparison. If we compare the best try (try #6) and Karapojat kill, we have following difference: Raid DPS:Karapojat: 2459 Whaco: 2895 Damage in:Karapojat: 486k Whaco: 523k Healing:Karapojat: 452k Whaco: 406k There was no big differences at all. Farei took a bit more damage (average hit is 2500 compared to Goromha's 2300. Max hit Farei 5541, Goromha 5000 flat). It was so doable for Whaco...
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Post by Vanur on Jul 21, 2007 3:00:26 GMT 1
Except the fact, people dieing due to well unluck or beeing at the "wrong place at the wrong time" and our healers running out of mana in the end.
Anyways I still belive if we would had kept trying we would had gotten it in the end.
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Post by Farei on Jul 21, 2007 3:36:24 GMT 1
Yeah Sama, main problem on my healing was not the damage I was taking but the spikiness.... I was often having a "lucky" streak of dodges, where my sct text was filled with blue dodge/miss for a good 5 secs or so and then I would get crushed 2-3 times in a row after that in addition to a couple normal hits. I know from my healing experience it´s rather tricky to heal a tank where this happens without doing too much overheal and it takes a lot of practice to be able to do it well. Also, I didn´t always have 2 renews up (having them both helped a *lot* since they cancelled out most of his normal hits), and thunderclap was not always on him (contributing to the spike damage when he hit fast).
I think that today we could have got him yes, but we lacked a bit on the healer side (since our healers were either not awesomely geared and we usually have at least one very well geared healer, or were helping out by healing without healing spec), and some people were a little bit careless/still learning the fight so we lost some people on other tries.
Remember we did not "give up" on the Prince... just took a break to try another boss that rarely gets killed in our raid since warlocks are so scarce usually and we happened to have one. We can get Prince... just needs a bit more luck, people to watch out, keep up hots on tank and debuffs on the boss, and I wouldnt mind giving up the tanking to a warrior that takes more stable damage if that will help us. I wouldn´t be too depressed about today to be honest.
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Post by Rynard on Jul 21, 2007 10:13:31 GMT 1
Yes... I think the elemental drops were really unlucky for us, and sadly our healers run out of mana in the end, which could be upgraded: a. taking a paladin, b. moar dps c. better gear. But after the wipe at 2% I think it was doable for us, too bad we moved on.
And I think the damage spike on farei is the flawless example of the druids vs crushing story. You all know about the attack table right? The more hit you dodge (or parry- not on Farei ofc), the increased chance to get a crushing. But if warrior dodges, parries, and blocks crushings are not that spiky and gets mitigated by block value. On druid tank, if you dodge too many times from 100 hits (let's say 60) most of the following 40 will be crushing. So I don't think druid tanking Prince is a good idea, unlees it is extremely good geared or the healers are. Tanking them with warrior and taking more predictable damage is better idea imho.
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Post by Samathul on Jul 21, 2007 10:52:17 GMT 1
I would get crushed 2-3 times in a row after that in addition to a couple normal hits. *nods* if you look at the damage in breakdown for Prince try #6, you'll see that you took 122 hits which out of 36 (12% of landed hits) were crushing blows. Goromha's stats for the fight are 130 hits and 8 (2% of landed hits) crushing blows. It's a shame that druids lack a migitation ability that could lessen the amounts of crushing blows to them, just like warriors have. Blizz, buff druids! On a different note, it's really heartwarming to see the try #6 total damage list. It's perfectly flat and doesn't show too much deviation from the median total damage done. Compared to Karapojat list it's a total dream  |
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Post by Vanur on Jul 21, 2007 12:04:23 GMT 1
Well Goromah has a "little" bit better gear as well, and though he dosent dodge as much he blocks allot which is vital in the enrage phase.
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Post by Samathul on Jul 21, 2007 12:47:54 GMT 1
Well Goromah has a "little" bit better gear as well, and though he dosent dodge as much he blocks allot which is vital in the enrage phase. And this affects druid crushing blow rates how... ? No matter how much better gear Farei gets, she still will get 2-3 crushing blows in a row, unless Blizz buffs druids :] She will get a bit lower average damage with having better gear tho, which lowers the overall incoming damage. |
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Post by Rynard on Jul 21, 2007 14:00:22 GMT 1
Sama... I think druids won't get buffs since they're hybrid class so can't be better as Warriors in feral form. I think there isn't too much to talk about it. I admire how Farei tanks as a druid but on the endbosses of karazhan and after that, druid MTing is only doable if she's extremely good geared or the healers are. Nuff Said.
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Post by Samathul on Jul 21, 2007 14:58:09 GMT 1
I think druids won't get buffs since they're hybrid class so can't be better as Warriors in feral form. You think it right, Rynard. Grats for that. Doesn't stop us from dreaming, don't it?  |
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Post by Rynard on Jul 21, 2007 18:02:46 GMT 1
Nah it doesn't But the balance between Feral druids and Warriors is fine atm, so nothing needs to be changed.. or well.. nref the respec costs please. |
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Post by Farei on Jul 21, 2007 22:23:55 GMT 1
Edit: pleh was commenting on a post and realised i read it totally wrong ^^
I think we just need to accept that on that particular try, we needed to have either a tank better at mitigating the crushing blows with the not-so-well geared/specced healers we had, or better geared healers to keep up with the damage a tank such as myself and not run out of mana.
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