Kiting at Razorgore.

[nightspawn]

A lock hasn't much to do at Razor, "only" getting a dragon and kite it. This, of course, is hard enough at first, till you get a hang of it and know how things work in the encounter.

With the tactics shift from "total kiting" to "kiting dragons, kill the rest" I feel I don't really help the raid (besides kiting that dragon) and that the DPS groups have a much more difficult and interesting job.

After having kited sooooo many times, I am able to do it blindfolded and as Sama asked for a bit of damage in my corner I tried it and kited my dragon as well as do some damage. That really works :-D

The first dumb thing to notice is that I always ran after my dragon, essentially that took me through the complete hall... Nowadays I just make sure the dragon gets pissed enough by DPSing it under 90% and stay were I like to. So essentially I just have the "problem" to get my dragon back after targeting corner mobs and DPSing them.

Using "g" is one option, but I think at last for me a general multipurpose targeting mod is better suited :-D

So here is a short list of do's and don't's for warlock kiters (edit: stole those nice dots from Slys list ):

• DO cos on your target, really do
  
• DON'T use something else to tag it, as you loose the lower resists and use something that either has chances to break fear or does not keep up 5 min.
  
• DON'T use dots like corruption, as they make fear breaking uncontrollable
  
• DO dps your mob a bit, whether you use shadowbolt or searing pain is personal preference, both tend to break your fear quite often so be ready to refear.
  
• DO spec into 5/5 corruption, haha, only kidding :-D but it helps
  
• DON'T run after your dragon, will you will only get to places you don't like to get to, better make sure it's pissed and runs back to you. You will get hit by mage aoe too often if you run around
  
• DO spec into grim reach kidding again, but it also helps to get that fear of sooner, when the mob runs back
  
• DO tag your mob with cos ASAP, really it should be your first action. It most of the time does not aggro the mob and is part of our tactics that each mob is always tagged.
  
• DON'T tag or fear any tagged mob (besides your own... doh), never ever, it's not needed and screws our tactics
  
• DO use death coil when you get a resist of fear and directly cast fear again. DC is your emergency spell in that situation.
  
• DON'T panic when you get two resists, you will have time for a third and that won't get a resist, if you are not called Nuurg
  

But now back to our discussion Sly:

symiant said:

Oh haven't tried a mod like that - I'll look into it!

Down to personal preference I guess. Some people dont like mods, so for them using "g" (select last target) is the only option.

If it didn't do what you want Nightspawn it's most likely because it tends to mess up if you are targeting something when it dies. Usually because that means the current target = nothing, the last target = dead, so it all goes wrong!

As far as void walker sac vs void walker ready to be used as a shield goes, I rarely take damage from my dragon as it spends most of it's life feared or running to try and get to me. It's usually sudden burst damage from stray mages etc that kills me, which is why I dont bother with health regen in that phase of the fight. I'm either taking no damage, or big damage suddenly. It's personal preference of course!

I dont rely on debuff counters at all as mobs sometimes break out early. I just use em as a guide

Nighty - if you want to get into more discussion about locks in razorgore I suggest we take it into the lock forum as I think we're highjacking this thread a bit

My fear normally doesn't break early, so the counter does it's job and of course you need to have an eye on your back

To the regen buff: As I was running after my dragon a lot, I got hit by aoe often or cleaves, or whatever, so regen was nice as I don't assume anyone to heal me. Now that I dps and stand by my corner, I really want to life tap to get mana back and have no time to bandage, so it keeps me going
Having a loose pet around would only make me nervous.

And as said I don't even need to use DC often so a sacc shield is really overkill

[Slyvar]

I'll add a DO here to your list - I dedicate this one to Mal

DO use Searing Pain to DPS the mob - it's a faster casting time than Shadow Bolt and creates extra aggro. It's really not worth using Shadow Bolt for this purpose.

Other than that I agree with your list. I'll have a look at the targeting mod - that sounds like a d**n good option. Let me know what it's like if you try it before I do!

It sounds like we have quite different styles of kiting and DPSing at the same time Night! This is what I generally do:

• Ask if the druid in our group can heal and kite. Since locks can kite and DPS, no reason the druids shouldn't be able to kite and heal. Even one odd HOT once in a while reduces the need to have healing over time from the voidy a lot, as that healing will mostly heal the lifetap damage.
  
• Tag dragon with CoS and then either fear (if I have time) or DC if the dragon is almost out of range. I do this as I dont want to have to run after it all, as this cuts down DPSing time and means the dragon might be munching on healers. So if I can see I wont catch it, I DC and then cast my first fear
  
• DPS dragon with searing pain - the fast cast and extra aggro makes it the best "come back to me" spell IMHO.
  
• If no healing is available I bandage when needed only after a casting of fear - I have found I usually have enough time to bandage and it doesn't cost all that much dpsing time. Healthstones come in handy here too.
  
• I keep the voidwalker out and ready to use as a shield sac. This is because 1) Voidwalker Sacced healing does create aggro - and I want the least chance of those mages coming for me 2) I tend to find I only take damage from 2 sources. Life tap - which I recover by bandaging. And mages/legos. If mages start on me it can be a lot of damage all at once. So I personally value having the shield over having the healing, as the shield is more likely to keep you alive when you might otherwise die, whereas the healing from the voidy is just a nice to have and means you dont have to bandage as often.
  

I think ultimately it's down to personal preference - using void shield protects against spikes from when things go wrong a bit, or when loose mobs come over to you. Using Void healing means you can DPS for that little bit longer.

[nightspawn]

Searing Pain creates two times its damage in aggro, but then again my shadow bolt does two times the damage of searing pain, especially with CoS up

I have to agree though, that SP has less casting time and mana, ultimately making it better suited for that purpose (if those dragons don't have too much fire resistance left?).

Both spells tend to break fear and as I cast them after I reapplied fear I have time to cast them both and after the spell I have to refear eventually anyways... so I made a sport out of it to see how low I can get the dragon, that's why I prefer SB...

But with the DPSing now... well, I will have other things to kill my spare time

DS creates half the amount healed as aggro every 4 seconds and I always used it at razor. 90 aggro in 4 sec (and that only when you are not at full health) did not aggro anything so far. But then again I heal 2700 health, i.e. 3240 mana in one minute and I really don't like bandaging and spare it till I really need it.

I wouldn't know when to sac the void, and in the situations I can imagine were I got a damage spike... well that spike was 20 hits of legos in the wipe process; no void shield will save me there

But I agree that it's personal preference :-D Would be strange/boring if there was only one way to play a lock in this encounter.

[Slyvar]

As a pose to hammering shadow bolt for ten minutes like we do at most bosses

[nightspawn]

The mod I referred to in my post is: QuickTarget.
(http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=2765)

Unfortunately this mod also can't solve the "ID" problem concerning the uniquenes of targets.

The WoW API only offers name and level of a target, not the internal ID. It is therefore at the moment impossible to separate targets by mods, which have the same level and name.

You can observe this behavior with current "timer" mods, which sometimes display all your dots correctly for different target and sometimes they override your dots of a different target: The difference in those situations is that the mobs either have different level or not

QuickTarget therefore becomes unusable in situations where several mobs have the same level and name and these are exactly the situations in which we would need such a mod... (Garr mobs, Razorgore dragons, etc.).

The mod just saves the name and level and while testing in ZG I had this error within the first 5 minutes: I always targeted the dead mob behind me, instead of the one we were fighting, though I saved the "new" mob.

Ah well... perhaps the "last target" option from WoW itself can in the end use better game mechanics to get at least this right... and I just have to get used to the specialities.

Nighty

P.S.: The mod is not rubbish cause of this! It still can assign unique targets in the sense of no one else targets the mob, save players, uniquely named mobs etc. It's just the main reason I wanted it does not work