A topic for Jin'do

[krktie]

From:
www.wowhq.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-958.html

This guy is absolutely nuts. It's insane how difficult he is. This is the only fight in the game that requires a great deal of luck. If our main tank gets teleported into it's basically a wipe cause from what I heard he's immune to taunt.

First off, some general tips: Keep all mobs health bar with the V key. This will allow you to take down weak shades fast as quite often some less DPS oriented classes can't get them down much.

Here's what we do.

First, prepare...

Cast Shadow buffs on everyone, it reduces damage from the shades. Keep all buffs up, warlocks keep up Demon armour, priests inner fire. Basically any damage reduction you can get. This will probably save your butt if you get teleported as it usually takes even a good computer a couple seconds of lag before you can move again.

We keep one paladin back to take care of skellies when someome gets teleported into the pit. It saves clothie lives if he does this.

We drain his mana as fast as possible. People say that it doesn't help, it does. He does drop less totems and hex less frequently when he does. That means everyone who can mana burns. Priests, Hunters, Locks. We typically bring 3-4 priests to this fight. All priests but one is draining his mana. This will take his mana down to zero fast. Not a single class can burn mana down as fast as the priests. It should only take 40 seconds tops to drain his mana.

Kill totems via tab targeting. Mages can burn down totems pretty quick with pyroblast. Enough that rogues can finish it in a couple hits. Healing totems are priority. Take them first. Mind control totems second. Burn your cooldowns if you are a melee class. A warrior who blasts his Intimidating shout while mind controled can spell bad news for the raid. As a priest I tend to fear away things that attack me.

DPS the crap out of him as fast as you can. Jindo has only about 400K hp. Take totems down as fast as you can. There are some helpfull macros that mages can use that will auto target the totems, cast a pyroblast and go back to Jindo with the touch of a button. (I'm not sure how it works I'm not a mage, best check the UI forum) If the healing totem is up for more then 5 seconds, Jindo gets 3% of his health back. They cannot stay up longer then that. (That's an additional 12K hp you have to burn off him everytime those totems stay down too long)

How to deal with shades?

Keep the ranged CLOSE to the melee so they don't have to go chasing down shades half the time they are cursed. Keep the clothies between the two pillars outside of Jindo's little room (Where the pull infront of him is)

People laugh at me when I say the best people to get cursed are priests and warlocks. I'll tell you why now. DoT's. Just freaking tab target every dang shade you see and toss a SW:P or whatever curse the warlocks do. I do believe SW:P does 80% of the HP of every shade and the Warlock one kills it outright. But if they don't kill them it brings them to a level that warriors and rogues can just tear through the things. Everyone who gets cursed aside from the MT has to be on shades. We've got to a point where shade control is excellent and we don't have much trouble with them anymore.

Sometimes we can beat Jindo on our first try without losing a single person. Sometimes we wipe 5 times in a row. It's a very random fight that causes us a lot of trouble yet. But hell, some of the loot he drops is worth it. Evil Eye 4TW.

Sometimes I pull my hair out in frustration with this guy. Nothing is more aggrivating then Jindo teleporting our tank into the skelleton pit, hexxing him at the same time runs halfway to the pit then he drops a mind control totem in the middle of the pit mind controlling the priest who has the most mana which then starts healing Jindo as the main tank is pulling him back into position.

Just too random. The fight is based too much on pure chance.

Too tired to add my own comments now, but I guess that's a pretty good basis for a strategy.

[krktie]

PS:

(note, a feral druid makes a great MT for this encounter -- bears can't be frogged!)

*raah*

[Grul]

Also, from the same place:

The Playing Field
Jin'do is fought on a mostly flat surface, with some terrain changes around a nearby pit. This pit is full of quickly respawning skeletons named "Sacrificed Troll" At certain angles around this pit, Jin'do can go on evade. Avoid tanking him there.

Hexxer's abilities
The Hexxer has 6 main abilities.
1) Physical Attack.
He does an attack which will hit for, at most, 1000 damage crushing, and as little as 400. This is the least of your problems. In fact, in my experience, I found that I wasn't taking enough damage to have a healthy supply of rage when fighting Jin'do, so I removed my shield and used a 2-handed weapon. Lesser equipped tanks may not have this problem.

2) Teleportation.
If you have fought Immol'thar or Gandling, you are familiar with this teleportation. Jin'do will teleport you into the pit of rapidly respawning skeletons, thrusting you into certain doom, unless you have some quick help.

3) Brainwash Totem
This totem, when dropped, has approximately 4000 hit points, and mind controls someone through the use of a large green beam coming from the top of the totem to the person in question. While the target of the Brainwash seems to be somewhat proximity-based, he will never brainwash the person with the most aggro (which should be the MT).

4) Powerful Healing Totem
This totem, when dropped, has approximately 1000 hit points. It will heal him for roughly 1000 life a second.

5) Dellusions of Jin'do
This is a weak shadow-based curse DoT he will cast very frequently. Whenever this DoT is cast, two things happen. A Shade of Jin'do spawns out of the person it was cast on (similar to the haunted debuff in Stratholme), and the person with the curse will now be able to see and effect the Shades of Jin'do, where they normally wouldn't be able to. More on that later.

6) Hex
Magic-based debuff. Changes the target into a frog, who then wanders aimlessly, doing nothing for a few short moments.

Additional factors in the fight
Sacrificed Trolls
These extremely weak mobs will spawn every few seconds after death. They respawn individually, so you cannot kill every single one except for one, and then tank it off in the middle of nowhere. The best way to deal with these mobs is to repeatedly kill them as often as they spawn.

Shades of Jin'do
One of these little buggers spawn every time someone is afflicted with the curse Dellusions of Jin'do. They are invisible, and unaffected by AOE, along with the totems. They are an entirely shadow-based entity. They hit for 1 damage, which serves to do little except interrupt spellcasting, and then Shadow Shock for 500-600 (noncrit)damage. Needless to say, two of these already do more DPS than Jin'do. The only time you can attack them is when you are suffering under the curse Dellusions of Jin'do. They have 1500 hitpoints, and are fairly easy to destroy. DoTs continue to affect them even after the curse is gone. Thorns, Retribution Aura, Fire Shield, and effects from items such as Essence of the Pure POS also work, regardless of the curse.

How to Fight Jin'do
The Setup
Rogues should all have the highest ranked wound poison on their main hand weapon, and instant poison on their offhand. Pass Improved Thorns and Shadow Protection to everyone around the raid. Make sure hunter pets are on aggressive. (While the tactic to attack shades without being cursed no-longer works, setting pets to aggressive is still a good idea).

The Pull
Use a rogue or hunter to pull Jin'do. He will often curse them within a few seconds. It is important for DPS classes to get this curse.

The Fight
Destroying shades should be your top priority. Priests and Warlocks should DoT as many as possible in the 15 seconds that they have this curse. Shadow Word pain removes enough life that rogues can 1-shot the shades. Curse of Agony and Corruption combined will flat out kill a shade. The only person who does not kill shades will be your main tank, who should be doing his damndest to spam sunder and revenge, as Jin'do is immune to taunt. Paladins and Priests may use decursive during this fight, but not Druids or Mages. Additionally, it is a good idea to have one person dedicated to cleansing hex off the main tank.

You want to pull Jin'do close to the pit, because when he teleports people, it is imperative that they are able to rejoin the fight as quickly as possible. While, often one mage can handle the pit alone, two can handle it faster, and safer.

All the healers should be bunched up into one small pile. All healers will inevitable draw Shade of Jin'do aggro from healing so, when someone gets the curse, all the shades will be in one nice location, rather than spread out all over the place. Ranged DPS needs to be at a right angle to Jin'do and the Healers, as it allows them quick access to being able to damage both.

You should bring along at least one warrior with Mortal Strike, to make sure that this debuff is constantly on Jin'do, which stacks with 5/5 wound poison. While these two things do not negate the healing totem, they reduce its effectiveness considerably.

If you do not have Dellusions of Jin'do, you should be focusing on totems. Thanks to Mortal Strike and Wound Poison, Brainwash totems should be the first to go down. Especially since they are much easier to find thanks to their large green beam of mind controlling. If there are no Brainwash totems up, attack the healing totems.

If there ever is a time when there are no healing totems, no brainwash totems, and you have no curse, then you can apply some DPS on Jin'do.

To help with positioning, you may want to tank Jin'do inside the pit completely. Simply tank him in one corner, have healers stand in the opposite corner, and then have your ranged DPS take up residence in one of the remaining corners. There shouldn't be more than three piles. Additionally, by doing this, you cause skeletons to aggro on the raid in a much more spread-out fashion, instead of concentrating on one poor person from the very beginning. This makes it much safer for your raid overall as the skeletons have less chance of killing one person.

As long as you can keep the shades dead, Jin'do has very low DPS, and is by and large not a threat to your raid. He has a very small amount of hitpoints, so don't be discouraged if he heals large chunks of his life. Just continue to fight, and he will go down.

Other things you can do
Spirit of the Zandalar
Jin'do is very close to Hakkar. You may want to defeat Hakkar first, then have the entire raid take a short break to go turn in the Heart of Hakkar, which will net the entire raid a powerful 2-hour buff which lasts through death.

Shadow Protection Potions
These will absorb the 1 damage pings taken from the Shade of Jin'do, which likes to knock your casting meter down. Much more valueable than healing potions. If your healers are having a hard time, definitely look into getting these for your healers.

Major Recombobulator
If you're horde, and are finding yourself lacking in removing the hex effect, pack one of these if you can. If you're cursed AND hexed at the same time, that's a lot of shades that you're not killing, which is detrimental for the raid in a big way.

Sacrifice your survivability
Many people like to pack stamina suits, or other gear that helps them live longer when raiding. Jin'do is a strange fight in that, unless the Shades are out of control, which only comes as a result of low raid DPS, then the raid will not be taking much damage. Get out your attack power gear, and start kicking ass. The best defense is a good offense.

Make Macros
Everyone should have macros that allow them to target shades and totems easier. Don't spam these macros, as they tend to target something nearby with a similar name, but if such an effect is in the area (you become cursed, or see a green beam), then the macro will help you decide what to attack first by pointint it out with a big red circle.

Practice
Never hurts.

Don't give up
Luck is a huge factor in how difficult this fight is. If Rogues and Hunters are cursed the entire time, there's almost never going to be more than 2 shades up at a time. When less DPSable classes start getting the curse frequently, such as paladins, druids, etc, then there are going to be problems. If you failed, just try it again, and maybe you'll get lucky.

[Grul]

Some things to pull out of this and that were noted yesterday:

1. A hunter/rogue should pull. They will get cursed first, but are a good class to take down the shades quickly.
2. Jin'Do is immune to taunt. In theory this shouldn't be a problem, and everyone should be focusing on totems/shades mostly.
3. Only magic should be dispelled by priests, druids/mages shouldn't decurse.
4. Dedicated dispeller for MT would help
5. DPS gear a priority. You'll be hit by magic for the most part, so sacrificing armour/health for DPS to take down shades/totems would help.
6. Keep MS and wound poison up on Jin'Do to slow his heals

Think we need more priests/warlocks for this encounter though. Dispel and shadowprot would have helped a lot, plus both those classes can DOT several shades at once when it comes down to it.

[Slyvar]

I dont think we need more locks - we had three or four yesterday. I think it's a bit about the luck in terms of them getting the curse. Might be worth all the locks doing a little DPS at the beginning to get them high on the aggro list? An extra priest would be good though...

I'd suggest then that we take up several ideas in the above posts:

1) The pull: Not only should a hunter pull, but I think everyone should get on his aggro list with a wand poke just to ensure that the tank doesn't get frogged.

2) Dealing with the shades: We need to make sure people see these as priority. You can lay down a lot of dots in the time you have. The next few attempts should be based around practicing our shade control. People should bring as much shadow protection gear as they can, and we should definately buff shadow prot at the start of the fight. And as suggested above, MT should ignore them. I also like the idea of bunching up the healers to get the shades in one place - it makes it less chaotic.

3) Totems: I like the macros idea so the next time we try Jin'do we should go with that. When our shade control is good, our totem control should quickly follow as people will switch to them, kill it, then go straight back to jin'do. I'd also say that shamans should not put out totems themselves so that we know any totem we see is one to kill.

4) The pit: Not sure about the idea about positioning everyone in the pit... Felbs can you comment on what it was like trying to AoE them whenever anyone was teleported into the pit? I suspect we can do without this.

5) Jin'do himself: Obviously we need to go prepared with as much DoT stuff as we can. Curses, poisons, DoTs.. the lot. It may even be worth curse of dooming him if you're a lock. The tactics above say DPS like crazy. Whilst I think we should aim for this, I believe the focus of our next attempt should be to get the totems and shades under control. I definately think we should try mana draining - the main thing that made this fight difficult was the shear pace of it. If draining reduces the rate at which he curses and totems I'm all for it. Sounds like Nodonn might get a chance to DPS in an instance

Healers how was this fight for you? The damage seemed to be fairly random and sporadic in the way it was dealt. Did this cause big problems?

Sly

[krktie]

4) Don't like the pit idea, especially if he can start evading in some spots around it. Also it's better to keep the skels in one spot, else they might get the idea to jump different people and scatter too much if the raid is close to the pit.

[Erath]

It was a strange fight for healers...i kept on clicking on people to heal who then got MCed...basically wasn't being particularly effective! Would be tempted next time to have no more than a couple of healers actually concentrating on healing, the rest help out with shade/totem destruction, with the odd spam heal if and when necessary. I guess in a perfect world if we destroy all shades and totems, no-one will be taking damage!

Erath

[krktie]

The only damage I took in the fight - apart from Jin'do slapping me around for a few seconds - were the shadow bolts from the shades (500+ shadow damage), and MCd people. So I guess you are right, if we have enough totem and shade control, only the MT and maybe the mage blizzarding the skels will take damage.

[skrallik]

Serderac had read a suggestion where an off tank just tanked the skellies, rather than a mage kiling them.

Also, that :

MC totems should have less priority to Healing ones at all times

Rogues should not be going for totems as its too much running about,.. and just to focus on boss...



Thoughts?

[yavimaya]

At first, all three of these thoughts scared me!
Firstly, I have been teleported into the skeletons when the mages weren't able to watch the pit, I climbed out barely alive (admittedly though I was in DPS gear, may be easier in full tank gear, we can experiment with this before we try Hexxer again though as we did with Felb's). There are a lot of them, and they're not like tanking the panthers, they do do some damage. This means you would require regular healing, and this then warrants the point of how do you keep the aggro on you instead of on your healer for each and every one of the skeletons? I'm not sure how this would work.
Alternatively, could you kite them? A shaman with totems or a warrior with piercing howl just taking them for a walk round the park? Just an idea.

As for the MC totems, the other guides suggest healing totems are a priority as well I think, which is fair enough. They are weak and die quickly and if you don't take them down then there is no end to the fight. I'm not sure if we could do it without the rogues taking down the totems as well though, this sounds more like a Legion of Lemmings zerg tactic that I don't think we're quite equiped for. Do the ranged people think they have the mana and the power to take down all totems quickly enough for the prolonged fight? Bear in mind, people will be busy with other duties as well, like shade fighting and mages watching the pit etc.

[Slyvar]

For the pit:

I think the kiting idea sounds the most feasible. Tanking them would require too many people distracted from the main jobs

Rogues:

I half agree with this. They could forget totems, but attack the shades. The shades multiply too quickly to have too many people ignoring them. The only one who should ignore them is the MT. However, I still think we should have one try where we dont even try and damage the boss to learn how to get the totems and shades under control

Healers:

Erath's suggestion sounds good. We should have a reduced healing team so that when a totem goes up more people are trying to take it down quickly. Also this would help with shade control. Grul can you post as to how much damage you were taking from Jin'do? Might be worth having a priest with half an eye on the pit to shield any one teleported there

Totems:

I agree - healing should be priority. BUT this would mean that mages would have to make sure to sheep anyone MCed as it may be a while to get round to killing the MC ones. I dont think having mana to kill them is a problem though - they have 1000 and 4000 HP respectively and that doesn't represent that many spells in totaly. The healing one would fall to just one shadow bolt or pyroblast I think. The thing about getting the totems wasn't a damage output thing, it was a targeting issue. There were times when I couldn't target anything for toffee there was so much going on! Hence the macros...

[krktie]

I'd like to hear how Fel was doing with the pit last time.

Imo we should try very hard to avoid the skels getting out of that pit, through healing aggro or whatever. Means either we do kite them, or we kill them like last time, maybe not every time they spawn, but every time someone gets teleported.

Rogues have the fastest 'instant' melee attacks, therefore are best to take out the totems. How would you put someone on only shade killing if they'll only get the curse once in a while?

I like the idea of using shadow resistance potions (the small ones) for healers, when they get too many shades on them (it says shades only do shadow damage based attacks for 1 hitpoint, so unless they start shadowbolting a small potion will hold a while).

Do we know if things like thorns work on shades even if you're not cursed?

[Grul]

For the pit:
I think kiting/nuking them does the same thing, which is to take one person out of the fight to focus on skeletons.
If a mage is on watch to nuke them, then he/she is at least useful when no-one is being teleported. If someone has to kite/tank them, then this occupies them for the entire fight, regardless of whether anyone is ported or not.

Healers:
Jin'Do does did hardly any damage to me while tanking him, had hard time building much rage. Don't need anywhere near the amount of healing that is needed on bosses like Thekal.
Definitely need a dispeller though, as the second I got hexxed into a frog, he attacks the person next on his aggro list until I become de-frogged.

Totems:
Yup, sheeping the MCed players is the best bet until totems are down. Plus they get a free heal
We need to keep MS and wound poison up on the boss too in order to avoid too much healing.

[Slyvar]

Krktie, I didn't mean put rogues on "Shade duty" I meant that they should break off from attacking the boss to kill shades.

Also, I think that they DO take damage from thorns etc. When they are not visible it just means that you can't target them. So thorns and stuff like that could be worth while as well - especially since a dot can leave them with only about 50 hps left.

Sounds good grul - so we need one priest and some other healers on you for that fight. Other priests can help kill shades with DOTS and totems with whatever it is you priests use

Also spare priests can mana drain. Expensive on mana I know, but if you're not saving it for heals and mana draining the boss does help it will be worth it.

I agree with grul about the pit - let's keep a mage on it and only kill the skellies when necissary. This was the intention anyway, I'm just not sure it got across. As an aside, does Jin'do agro the whole raid?

[skrallik]

My Own personal thoughts:

2 Mages on Pit duty

MT on Boss only
Melee Team on Boss and Shades (when Appropriate)
Range Team on Boss Dots, and Totems + Shades (when Appropriate)

Excluding the mages by the pit, We form a triangle. Melee team up near the boss, range team split in two left and right.

Totems: These will likely spawn near the boss and in the middle of the triangle. Range has enough firepower to bring these down quickly without rogues.

Shades: When cursed, you run to the middle of the triangle while fighting your shade. If you kill it, then return back to your original location. If you dont, then stay in the middle of the triangle. This will enable the next cursed player to bring his to the middle and try to kill yours as well. In short, if shades stay alive, we want them all in one place, for mass killing if needed. It would be useful to ensure they are always going to be in the same place.

Pit: Mages keep it clear. Run to triangle with shade if you dont kill it.